Fascism in America

Every so often, true Fascists appear. The Stop the ACLU blog seems to fit into this catagory quite well.

There goals seem to be to end civil liberties, to end the human rights movement

They claim that the ACLU's 'far left' agenda has included:
  1. Denial of student led prayer in the public schools, colleges and townhall meetings
  2. Partial birth abortion and for that matter, abortion at any time up to delivery.
  3. Threats to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance and our money
  4. Removal of monuments and plaques of the 10 Commandments at city, county and state public buildings, courtrooms and schools across America
  5. The imposition of the homosexual agenda in public schools thru Gay/Straight Alliances.
  6. The imposition of homosexual marriage thru our judicial system
  7. Unfiltered pornography on the Internet in our public schools and libraries
  8. Defending terrorists such as those held at Guantanamo Bay, saying they have legal rights instead of being treated as enemy combatants, thus putting America at risk!
  9. Support of euthanasia as in the tragic case of Terri Schiavo.
So point by point:
1.) Forcing Christianinty onto people of other/no religions at public meetings.
2.) Prevent women from having any choice in their lives.
3.) Forcing Christianity onto other people through the state
4.) Forcing Christianity onto other people through the state
5.) Discriminating against gay/lesbian/bi-sexual/ trans-sexual/trans-gender/inter-sexual people through schools and stopping the teaching of tolerance.
6.) Discrimanation through law
7.) Prevent people from releasing their sexual needs in a safe environment
8.) Abusing people as they appear to be foreign
9.) Allowing people to be kept alive even though they are in constant pain or in a constant vegetative state


Then they ask questions such as:


Can any ACLU member or supporter tell me how your organization reconciles marriage equality for homosexuals and polygamists to heterosexuals but not equality for the unborn to the born?

Can any ACLU member or supporter explain why it is OK have Gay/Straight Alliances as an alternative group in public schools but it is not OK to teach creation as an alternative theory to evolution?

Well, yeah I can (even though I'm not part of the ACLU):

Homosexuality does not have negative impacts on other people. An unborn child does have a negative impact on the women carrying it. She has the right to choose what is inside her body and what lives in her.
Teaching people to be tolerant is one thing, teaching people something that goes against scientific fact is another.


These people seem to have real problems understanding basic human rights and tolerance. Luckily for NZ they are thousands of miles away, unfortunately their ideas are being seen here.

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Blogger Joe Hendren at 6/6/05 4:01 PM said

All good analysis apart from number 9. The Nazis (which I admit are only one example of facisim) were in favour of killing people with disabilities as they did not fit into the arayan ideal. One of the worst aspects of this was that the nazis used methods to kill disabled people they would later use to wide effect on jews, communists or anyone else they did not like.

Their treatment of the disabled should have been a massive warning - which is a good reason to take the abuses at Guantanamo seriously and reject Bush's attempts to make dubious excuses.    



Blogger John at 6/6/05 10:11 PM said

I posted an opinion on the wrong post here...read below.    



Blogger Phantasmagoric Political Junkie at 7/6/05 10:40 AM said

Cheers Joe,

jay777, your comments (found here) show how little you understand of what Fascism is. The swastika was after all a broken cross. The desire to enforce your religion on to others (through schools and public meetings) represents the idea of making everyone the same. Thought control, brainwashing etc.    



Blogger Gribbit at 7/6/05 10:50 AM said

Interesting....

Ignorant, but interesting...

First off, Fascists are for free markets with no personal liberties. Secondly, read your own list of what we supposedly believe, you can't even form a sentance properly.

Example... Threats to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance and our money.

Where on our money is the Pledge of Allegiance? In God We Trust is on our money. And the high court has already ruled on the legality of that. Have you heard of a money recall yet? I didn't think so.

As far as the 10 Commandments... what is so wrong with having them? Most idiots like you would say forcing Christianity by the state... Well, where in the New Testiment is the 10 Commandments? They aren't. They are in the Old Testiment. Which is referred to in the Jewish faith as well as Islam.

The Gay/Straight allience has no business in school. It isn't a social club, it's school. The children are there to learn how to read and write not how to get along with those who are involved in un natural behavior. Schools need to stick to what they are there for. That's numbers and letters.

The Constitution has a cut and dry set of of separation of powers. Making law is not the duty of the Judiciary. But the ACLU and idiots like would like to change that. That is forcing the will of the few on the many. That is fascism.

Marriage is not addressed in the Constitution. Therefor the regulation of it is not given to the federal government by it nor is it prohibited to the states. So under the 10th Amendment, it is a state matter.

To be continued    



Blogger Phantasmagoric Political Junkie at 7/6/05 11:01 AM said

"Secondly, read your own list of what we supposedly believe, you can't even form a sentance properly."

-That was a copy and paste straight from your own site, so it looks like the idiot is you

"As far as the 10 Commandments... what is so wrong with having them? Most idiots like you would say forcing Christianity by the state... Well, where in the New Testiment is the 10 Commandments? They aren't. They are in the Old Testiment. Which is referred to in the Jewish faith as well as Islam."
-As an athiest, I don't believe in the 10 commandments as anything other than good advice. Having on state institutions means that I (if I lived in the USA) am discriminated against. Those are not representative of all US citizens believes and contradicts the seperation of state and church.

"Schools need to stick to what they are there for. That's numbers and letters."
- schooling is much more than that, it is about learning to become a member of society. It is learning respect for the choices made by others, something which your country was founded upon.

"Making law is not the duty of the Judiciary."
-have you looked at your constitution? It gives the judiciary the right to make sure law is in line with the constitution and if it is not to throw it out. That is the courts have the role to uphold your constitution.

Yes Marriage is a state matter. But it is still subject to human right consideration.    



Blogger Gribbit at 7/6/05 11:02 AM said

Pornography is something that the ACLU is using to degrade our morality system as per the outline in the Naked Communist. It is being used as a reason to eventually force tighter control on our freedoms.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography, and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.
26. Present Homosexuality, degeneracy, and promiscuity as “normal, natural, and healthy”.

Under the Geneva Conventions of 1949, we are under no obligation to release these terrorists held at Guantanamo Bay until the end of hostilities. They can be held without charge until then. These individuals are actually war crimminals because they were carrying arms and conducting combat operations in violation of the rules of war. And those war crimes trials also do not have to start until after combat operations have ended. But the ACLU would like to give these terrorists, protections under the Constitution. They are not in the US, have not been to the US, are not citizens of the US, will not be coming to the US, and are being held outside of the US. On top of that, they are not going to be afforded the protections under the document which they have sworn to destroy.

We are against euthanasia for the same reasons why we are opposed to abortion. Why should the innocent be exterminated? That is more Hitler like than what you idiots claim we are advocating. Kill off the innocent babies, children, elderly, and disabled but let the murderers live. What a policy.

Do the world a favor, shut down your computer, stand up, take a step back, and hurl a brick at it. Because your text isn't worth another minute of my time. End of rant    



Blogger John at 7/6/05 11:13 AM said

Actually it was a copy and paste of stoptheaclu.org...but you are quite crafty in your deception. Nevertheless I agree with everything it said.

Ho Hum...You are a fool. It really is a waste of my time to even be here paying you any attention.

Endoctrination? Of course not...religion shouldn't be in a government funded school...but the government really shouldn't be in the school either.

I will however tell that the ACLU has pushed for Islam to be put in our schools while fighting against Christianity.

The only religion that is being pushed down America's throat is Secular humanism. And don't try and say that isn't a religion...the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that it was.

Torkaso Vs. Watkins in 1952.    



Blogger Gribbit at 7/6/05 11:23 AM said

"The swastika was after all a broken cross."

First off, Nazis aren't Fascists in the classic sense. They are National Socialists. And until Hitler and the Nazis came along, the swastika was a pagan symbol of good luck. If you are going to battle us tadpoll, do your research.

And let's expand on the brainwashing idea. The Communist Indoctination Centers of America, also known as College, is full of left wing radicals who want nothing more than to turn the United States into the Socialist Utopia that Russia, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, and others could not. That is brainwashing. Because they produce a fresh crop of liberals every year. And guess what, once these new Communists get out into the real world and start to pay taxes and see how the real world actually works, 4 out of 5 of them will become Conservatives. Want to bet?    



Blogger Zaphriel at 7/6/05 11:36 AM said

To Grib, and Jay,

Why are we even giving these tadpoles any air time, They are not even in the U.S. , and thus have no bearing on AMERICAN politics and the evils of the AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION (the biggest misnomer ever). If they want to follow these communists, let them, I know I would feel allot better if the organization was called the New Zealand Communist Union. Then they could see exactly what we are talking about.    



Blogger Gribbit at 7/6/05 11:47 AM said

So you've been blogging for about 3 days now. First off idiot, our Constitution gives the judiciary the responsibilty of judging the application of laws passed by the Legislative branch (Congress) and enforced by the Executive Branch (The President). So take you semi European Parliamentarian Government and harass them. If you don't like what we write about, go and have relations with a Kangaroo... ooops that's the Aussies, ok a sheep then. Because you are a piece of sh** idiot who has no berring on what is real in the world.

Why is it that that we are the first country that others come running to when another country starts to maker trouble for others? Because we are the biggest bully on the block that's why. Maybe we should have let the Japs keep the south Pacific.    



Blogger Phantasmagoric Political Junkie at 7/6/05 2:08 PM said

Gribbit-

"Pornography is something that the ACLU is using to degrade our morality system as per the outline in the Naked Communist. It is being used as a reason to eventually force tighter control on our freedoms."
- how???? and another question: would you prefer people's sexual desires to be released through pornography or through sexual crimes? I know that it is not a direct relationship, but there is some link in it. And not neccessarily rape, also sexual harrassment and that type of stuff.

"They [terrorists] are not in the US, have not been to the US, are not citizens of the US, will not be coming to the US, and are being held outside of the US."
-they are under the control of US troops, they are being held in a US detention centre. If you truly believed in freedom then you would support it for everyone,

"If all mankind minus one were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind" - John Stuart Mills

"We are against euthanasia for the same reasons why we are opposed to abortion"
- do you uphold the sanctity of life? What about the death penalty? How can you uphold that people should artifically be kept alive in pain??? On abortion I recommend you read this

Jay777-

"Endoctrination? Of course not...religion shouldn't be in a government funded school...but the government really shouldn't be in the school either."

you are right, religion shouldn't be in school, scientific fact should be. but so should teaching of tolerance and what other people believe in (i.e. in social studies a 'this is what Islam stands for, this is what Judiasm stands for, this is what Christianity believes in etc'.) And schooling is a basic human right under the UDHR. And it should be state provided.

"I will however tell that the ACLU has pushed for Islam to be put in our schools while fighting against Christianity."
- see point above

"The only religion that is being pushed down America's throat is Secular humanism. And don't try and say that isn't a religion...the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that it was."
-Secualar Humanism, yes. Science, no. It is not. It is based upon logical rationalisation of the world through provable facts unlike religion which is based upon faith (although this gets into an argument of what religion is, the Durkheimian position that everyone has religion compared to other positions that religion is the believe in super-normal activity).

"Nazis aren't Fascists in the classic sense. They are National Socialists"
Fascists who used some of the language of socialists are still fascists. Socialists believe in equality, fascists believe in hierarchy.
While the Swastika was originally a Hindu symbol, the one Hitler used was not based on their's but a symbol they created seperately. It is based on the broken cross.


Your usage of language and promotion of free speech really does your cause well.    



Blogger Phantasmagoric Political Junkie at 7/6/05 2:21 PM said

" Actually it was a copy and paste of stoptheaclu.org...but you are quite crafty in your deception."

I presumed you were the same organisation. If I am wrong then I will edit it to make that point clear.    



Anonymous millsy at 8/6/05 6:48 PM said

Geez...gung ho, trigger-happy theocratic yanks...

*yawn*    



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